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There are tapes of Grandmaster Flash using the beat from “Walk This Way” as early as 1978 — eight years before Run-DMC’s remake. Then we made this first bum record with a superstar producer and it was a bomb. I had a great time making that record, and Steven was one of the most amazing guys. And in those days, everybody did a little bit of something. Because David Geffen does not have to release your next record. At this point, I go, “Rick, that’s a fantastic idea.” But I said, “You know you have to get Steve Tyler and Joe Perry to play on it.” And Rick says: “They’ll never do it. I’d give them a buck, two bucks, and that was the beginning of me noticing what was going on in New York at the time.
That “Toys in the Attic,” when I got that it was relatively new. A lot of them didn’t delve into the alchemy of what was used by the DJ. [Program director] Frankie Crocker was the king of New York. We always thought he was a weird figure, but then when you began talking to him, you saw he had this encyclopedic knowledge about music and film. He saw rap breaking through in the way that punk and hardcore did not. The city walls, the bastions and the Old Castle owe their existence to Roger the Great Count.A royal city which had remained faithful to Manfred of Sicily during the Angevine invasion, by 1268 A. it was besieged by Charles I of Anjou and surrendered the following year.But they went to the Catholic school and were good kids. Ebony magazine put Run-DMC on the cover after Rolling Stone. One of the things that would bring [Perry and Tyler’s] relationship back together many, many times is somebody sold them some drugs. Jay’s a kid who hung out in the park, was tough and was more street. All the Sugar Hill [label] records were very produced, very slick, very much like funk records. When Run-DMC came around, it really was a new sound.
Two albums into their career, Joseph “Run” Simmons, Darryl “DMC” Mc Daniels and Jason “Jam Master Jay” Mizell are already minor stars and musical revolutionaries. And I don’t remember myself feeling comfortable with trying to knock that recording down. In effect, they accomplished a revolution when they were all working together. Let’s do something.” They were very ambivalent about this whole thing. But when it was time to go in there, he walked in there, cigarette hanging from his mouth, winked his eye, they pushed record and history was made. ” He’d nod his head up and down and he’d go back and sit down. [In 2002, Jam Master Jay was fatally shot at his recording studio. We’d go watch the videos on a Monday and talk about it on a Tuesday. We knew it was by these guys, these kids downtown, who were starting to build a name for themselves in hip-hop. What “Walk This Way” did is it opened up the possibilities for rock bands to incorporate rap music into their songs.